| Components of Feminine Beauty by Attention Deserved |
1. Shape matters more than size. We're all aware that some women seem to have great figures despite being a little larger than what most consider ideal. This is because a woman's proportions matter more than her overall weigh; her shape matters more than her size. Her waist-to-hip ratio, or breast and butt shape or size relative to the rest of her body can be attractive to a man despite the fact that she is "overweight." Being concerned about your weight or BMI is important, but it is only half the picture. You will be able to get away with being a big heavier than most if you have good curves. You won't be more attractive because you are heavier than most (i.e. you'd still look better if you slimmed down), but you don't need to do it to be attractive if you have the right shape. (Incidentally, in-shape black women blow away the competition when it comes to having great figures, which in most cases completely compensates for imperfect hair.)
2. Shape matters more than size - up to a certain point. There are limits to the above-described phenomenon. While it is difficult (if not impossible) to quantify "a certain point" in terms of weight or even BMI, I can say this instead: women like Nicki Minaj are pushing the limits already, and are able to to do because they have great proportions. You'd be unnecessarily harsh on yourself to judge your body based on weight alone, but some women recognize the above phenomenon, and then wrongly excuse their size based on comments from friends that they have a "Kim Kardashian ass" or a "Beyonce butt." Comments like this are usually made by friends who are more interested in making you feel good about yourself than accurately describing your figure. While occasionally they will be sincere, you should think twice and make a strong effort to be honest with yourself before believing them.
3. Men don't need Victoria's Secret models. In the same way that you don't need a guy who is as daring, strong, attractive and clever as James Bond, men don't need a woman with a perfect body to be aroused - even wildly aroused. Most of us know that the models we see in the media are unrealistic and only portrayed at their best (just like you know that men like James Bond don't really exist). Furthermore - and more importantly - a woman in the flesh is far more real and immediate than a woman on a screen or the page of a magazine, and this immediacy translates directly into sexual power. In this sense, the advantage that the "girl next door" has over these "fantasy girls" is huge. This happens to be one of the reasons that men don't fall more easily into pornography addiction, but it also means that what you consider severe inadequacies are really not as severe as you think.
4. Your complex about being overweight is more unattractive than being overweight. Yes, your weight matters, but freaking out about your weight is much less attractive to a man than a few extra pounds. Within reasonable limits, an unhealthy body is preferable over an unhealthy mind. Obviously if you are pushing 300 lbs, no one will take the time to appreciate your healthy mind; but if you get to 110 lbs only by taking becoming obsessive about your weight, you aren't doing yourself a favor. As physically attractive as a girl might be, being bulimic (or otherwise anorexic) is so internally unattractive that she will always struggle to keep men, even if she doesn't struggle to attract them initially.
5. Your figure is significantly defined by your posture. If you get down to the perfect shape and size, you can still fuck it up entirely by having bad posture. Likewise, if your figure isn't perfect, you can still get the most out of it by improving your posture and holding yourself as well as you can. To this end, high heels will be your best friend.
6. You won't lose weight unless you want to. I am a firm disbeliever in laziness. Instead, I believe in knowledge and preferences: lazy people aren't people who lack the ability to motivate themselves to do things that everyone accepts as "good" or "right"; they are people who have different priorities, either due to ignorance or a differing opinion. A woman who works out all the time values her long-term fitness more than the short-term pleasure she gets from muching on snacks all day, or feeling full at mealtimes. If you struggle with managing your weight, it could be because you don't care what you look like (to some degree). But more than likely, it is because (a) you don't realize how much benefit you'd get from being thinner, or (b) you are short-sightted, such that you see more value in the short-term pleasures you get from eating than in the long-term pleasure of being in shape. Once you realize how much your weight matters when it comes to getting what you want in life (i.e. a man), or look into the future far enough to see that you will never be attractive unless you sacrifice the momentary comfort of satisfying your apetite completely, your priorities will shift, and you will spend more of your energy on your fitness - willingly.
7. Cardio isn't everything. If you want to lose weight you need to burn calories, running or using the elliptical machine is not the best way of doing this. Weight training burns essentially the same amount of calories, but also increases your metabolism for about an hour after your workout, which then continues to burn an additional 25 percent of the calories you burned during the weight training itself. Not to mention weight training is a much better way to shape and tone your body. Girls almost categorically avoid weights, and they are retaining pounds because of it.
8. Weight = Calories In - Calories Out
Calories In = What you eat
Calories Out = What you burn through exerciseThis formula is so simple that people often overlook it amid all the marketing jargon and quick-fix approaches to weight loss. You have options: you can lose weight by increasing the calories out or reducing the calories in. So either eat less at every meal or work out more every day. It's your call.
[I am far from an expert on dieting, so if anyone is, I encourage you to explain away any common dieting misconceptions in the comments.]

Great post. I'm in the category of having extra weight by bmi standards, but have excellent proportions and I am aware that men are very attracted to my body. I have more confidence than my skinnier girlfriends because of this awareness. Thanks for sharing this with other women, I wish I had.
ReplyDeleteYou missed the part where you would still be more attractive if you were thinner.
DeleteNot necessarily - most women's proportions change with weight change. This girl might lose all her breasts if she lost weight, but keep the lower body weight. Or lose weight from her curves but have her waist stay the same size, thus becoming a straight stick. I have a nice figure and it's only because I keep myself about 5kgs overweight, so I get a more hourglass figure.
DeleteIt's worth noting that most women fall into two body shape/fruit groups: pear shape or apple. A pear shape gains weight on hips, upper thighs and butt. They have slim arms and small breasts. An apple gains weight on the upper body - arms, breasts and stomach. Their butt is small or flat, hips are narrow. A small group of women are like a banana, straight up and down.
ReplyDeleteBoth body shapes are unattractive if the woman is fat, an apple looks masculine with heavy arms and tummy fat, a pear shape looks bottom-heavy and very non-athletic. Most celebrities can work with whatever shape they have, with a good diet, the right exercise and plastic surgery. The 'hourglass' shape some celebrity women has is often a pear shape combined with breast implants.
Kim K is (or was, originally) a pear shape. Scarlett Johansson and Jessica Simpson are both apples.
I think most women need to accept and embrace their shape and learn to work with it.
Victoria's Secret models are lucky to have beautiful faces and long legs, but they have apple or pear shapes just like everybody else, and they've made the very best of it.
I am definitely a natural hour-glass shape or curvy, I have boobs, hips and my waist is small so I have to disagree.
DeleteYep, I'm also a natural hourglass. From the front I have shoulders slightly wider than my hips, so there is no way I could be a pear shape, plus I gain weight in my waist last and I never lose my hourglass shape, so no way I could be an apple shape.
DeleteI like to think of the two main body shapes as an 8 or an S.
DeleteI am an S because I am narrow with a bum that curves out at the back, and even at a low weight I don't have a completely flat stomach.
I have friends who are bigger than me, even managing to be overweight with a flat stomach because their hips are wider. These would be the 8s, even if the lower o is larger than the upper o
I don't believe the apple and pear shape exclusivity is true. I am a natural hour glass, with no fake implants and I know I'm not alone in this body type. When I gain weight I gain it proportionally and losing the same thing.
ReplyDeleteThis is refreshing. There is so much emphasis on weight in the Manosphere that I worry I should be trying to lose weight. Since discovering Paleo I'm lighter than I've ever been and have bounds of energy, but this association of femininity and frailty haunts me.
ReplyDeleteI will never look frail. If I bust my ass, I might get the perfectly flat belly and thighs that don't touch, but I won't look frail. Instead I'll just keep working toward my 23:00 5k, and do fun things like Salsa and CrossFit.
It also doesn't hurt that I've got a hard-working, fit dude who can't keep his hands off me, and that's one hell of an argument to the contrary.
I greatly prefer the athletic look in a woman. A little bit of muscle on a woman goes a long way. I don't like a huge flabby butt like Nicki Minaj's. However, a round and muscular butt is very attractive on a woman.
ReplyDeleteWomen should also work out their upper bodies instead of simply jogging. A lot of men are attracted to a woman's shoulders - a woman with square shoulders and a good posture is hard not to notice.
Thanks for this post. I do wonder though how much a woman can change her shape naturally. There are fewer women today who have true hourglass figures. Dr Cate Shanahan (Deep Nutrition: Why your Genes Need Traditional Food) suggests this is because most females are born with inadequate nutrition. We're all getting enough calories but not enough nutrition. Her ideas are fascinating.
ReplyDeleteRe calories in - calories out: you might like to read Gary Taubes' Good Calories Bad Calories. It is a dense book in which he argues that all calories are not equal. My understanding (limited I might add) is that the body is not a closed system whereby the rules of thermodynamics can happen in a linear fashion. There was a nice discussion about this with Zoe Harcombe over at Underground Wellness:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwellness/2011/02/28/the-obesity-epidemic-with-zoe-harcombe
What are your thoughts on women using plastic surgery to achieve a better proportioned body? I don't like fake bosoms. To me they look odd; particularly on women who are very slim straight up and down. And what about the athletic look? Serena Williams has an amazing hour glass shape but for many her assets are rather generous. There is a growing trend for more muscle definition and strength for women. I must say I think this is a great look for women:
http://mollygalbraith.com/gallery/
http://karlygomezgoesnational.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/karly-usa2.jpg
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Agreed that plastic surgery looks bad in many cases, but I've seen it done well - normally this is when it is done by a good doctor and in such a way that it compliments the girl's look.
DeleteAs for the girls with muscles - hell no. Every guy I've ever talked to about women with muscles like the ones in the pics (particularly the second link) has said unequivocally that they are disgusting.
Ha Ha! There are lots of men fawning over these women. Admittedly they are men who are into strength training. Perhaps you need to speak with a wider variety of men.
DeleteI have a low body weight and also low body fat percentage and lift heavy weights, and at 58 years old date guys in their 30's so, yes, muscle is in and this is what women are missing out on to keep young looking. Strength training is an absolute must for a woman to maintain her youth.
DeleteWhen plastic surgery is done well, you never notice- only when something goes wrong. You might notice the person looking more refreshed, relaxed, sweeter, happier, prettier... but not that she had work done. Even if you had a big hump on your nose filed down, sometimes you have to point it out for others to notice.
DeleteMost plastic surgery patients remark that initially they were afraid others would notice, but in reality very few do... even their own mothers, spouses... etc..
I am very familiar with this topic, having done work myself.
I haven't read it but http://www.stumptuous.com/ has a free(?) ebook f*** calories which sounds interesting.
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Did you change the background to white or is my laptop just fucking up? Hmmm I prefer blue....
ReplyDeleteThe Victoria Secret girls vary a bit in shape as well. Some of the girls, like Candice Swanepoel, have great hip to waist ratios, whereas others are very straight up and down.
ReplyDeleteSome say VS models are too skinny (mostly women). Do you think the VS look is popular enough among men that it is worth pursuing for women? (working towards it, I know it takes a lot to get a body like that).
I like the new background :)
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ReplyDeleteWhat do you think of the faces and figures of the women in this survey? They're officially plus-size models, but they cover a range of weights (American size 12 to size 22). I think Kailee O'Sullivan (one of the thinner girls, and coincidentally very similar to Karen Gillan despite being shorter and heavier) is pretty, but I wanted at least one male perspective. Clicking on a model's name leads to more pictures of her.
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/survey.htm
Andrew,
ReplyDeleteI should provide some context about the plus-size model survey, above. The male webmaster argues (1) that heavier women are the most attractive, both aesthetically and sexually, (2) that all heterosexual men secretly agree with (1), and (3) that before the 20th century all heterosexual men openly agreed with (1), which made their societies better aesthetically and morally. Is he right?
Here he argues that heavy figures are more natural (in a good way):
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=1745
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=2302
Here he argues that belly fat is attractive:
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=1115
Here he argues that the Victorians found heavier women more attractive: http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=701
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=1373
Here he argues that feminine clothes look better on heavier women: http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=672
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/archive03.htm#clothes
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/newfemininity.htm#examples
Here he argues by analogy that since voluptuous hair is more beautiful (which one of your posts definitely agrees with), voluptuous figures are better too:
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=93
Here he argues that preference for plus-size beauty goes hand in hand with traditional aesthetics and values:
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/timeless.htm
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/archive04.htm#vienna
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=1688
Here he argues that heavier women look better on the runway:
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=162
Here he argues that Kim Kardashian's former sister-in-law Kaela Humphries was more attractive than KK because KH weighed more:
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=2261
And since Victoria's Secret models came up, here he argues that VS model Doutzen Kroes looks better with slightly more weight:
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/board/showthread.php?t=1654
What all these links add up to in the end, though, is a verification of your original post's points 1 and 2. I think, though, that the models in the links illustrate your points better than Nicki Minaj does.
I hear men talk about "great proportions", but I'm not sure if they are being for real. Don't they just often mean big boobs on a relatively slim frame?
ReplyDeleteKate Upton has been celebrated as a new sex bomb, some even say "ideal shape", and she has no hip/waist ratio at all?
Big boobs and relatively slim frame definitely helps, but it isn't the whole story.
DeleteKate Upton is hot because of her face primarily. I've heard a LOT of guys talk about how she really isn't that hot. In fact, it is almost a controversy among men, which I believe boils down to some guys not realizing that she is hot "in spite of" having a mediocre figure, not "because of it"
I'm Swedish, and I never found Kate that hot. She's cute - but I see blonde girls with that type of face ALL the time. Most of my friends think she's completely average. They're more likely to admire girls like Adriana Lima / Brazilian models.
DeleteOne thing you haven't talked about much regarding female attractiveness is that your "value" depends on where you are on what type of other females you're surrounded by. Blondes are exotic in some countries (and I think seen as "bimbos" in the US?), latin women in others.
Regardless of exotic appeal, I think I can say that girls in Russia, East Europe, Finland and Scandinavia are more physically attractive than in many other countries. Girls will usually also be hotter in bigger cities. Those countries also have 10x as many attractive women as men. So single women should have this in mind if they relocate.
I personally am WAY more into mediterrenean looking women (dark complexion, olive skin) than blondes, so I disagree with you. It is pretty hard to argue that there is one race or look that is "objectively" hotter than others. It's like arguing that classical music is objectively better than rap or bluegrass. It all comes down to taste.
DeleteYes my point was more so that what is 'exotic' to one country is more common in another. A blonde will be exotic where men are used to Mediterranean girls and vice versa.
DeleteRegarding East Europe and Russia, I think many find women in those countries attractive simply because they have more of a culture where they take care of themselves (they are not feminist). I'm not saying that fair features are better, I think the reason is that some of these countries have much less obesity / healthier lifestyles than the US.
funny you mention Niki Minaj as an example of "overweight yet shapely". everything on her is fake, from her fat unjected wider hips, thighs and big ass, to the enhanced breast. she was merely average in the figure department before she went Hollywood. then again, she is right where she needs to be in the eyes of the black community. we tend to worship at the church of the "extreme hourglass". it's never been about weight, just how a woman wears it and is it in the right places.
ReplyDeletethat said, ALOT of girls - black and white - do try and get over by assuming that because they have big breast or a fat ass that they are sexy when in fact they are just fat.
In total agreement here. Just an excuse to be a potato chip/couch athlete and guys buy right into it.
DeleteWhat do men think of small flaws like stretchmarks or cellulite on an otherwise perfect body? Some of these things can be extremely difficult to improve no matter how many hours you clock in at the gym.
ReplyDeleteI just answered a girl who asked about this in the comments to the "About This Blog" page. She was asking about a scar but the same rule applies: play up your strengths and play down your weaknesses. If bare legs, or the area around your stretch marks is more attractive than the cellulite or stretch marks are attractive, cover them up until you get to know they guy better, then reveal them in a gradual way.
DeleteThere are some creams and technologies for reducing stretch marks. You should at least look into those.
Most women have stretch marks. Even some VS models. Stretch marks fade over time, in order to accelerate the fading process, then you will have to invest in good moisturizers (not the cheap watered down type) and try to moisturize the area at least twice a day.
DeleteI got stretch marks during puberty and my grandmother got me into the habit of moisturizing and now I can wear a bikini at the beach and no one notices unless I point them out. Sometimes I have to manipulate the skin around the area to see them. They are still there, but they're almost invisible now. I am black and stretch marks are even more noticeable on darker skin. But now I don't have to worry about stretch marks because I took care of it.
I actually cannot praise weights enough. For years I was extremely unhappy with a few aspects of my body (ass being the big one- no shape)but since I have started weight training I have noticed a significant difference. Others have too ;). I also do boxing, swimming and tennis (for fun) but it's the weights that have produced results.
ReplyDeleteHi Andrew!
ReplyDeleteThank you for all the insights on this blog.
Regarding point 8, you may find these two videos interesting.
http://www.uctv.tv/skinny-on-obesity/
http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-16717
Regards from Europe!
I watched some of these... interesting stuff.
DeleteAndrew, keep in mind your graph is entirely subjective. I would place different importance on girls' features. For example, I'm big on hair, and would also place more importance on breasts, and have a much different definition of a good body. Being very athletic myself, I place more importance on a toned athletic body. For example, the chick (probably famous or something) in the picture above might be a 7, but I'd probably think of her as a 6-6.5 . The hair is a big issue and I don't like the body type, etc.
ReplyDeleteWhat are your thoughts on breasts? If a woman has naturally large sagging breasts, but does not want to get surgery to lift them, and she is between mid-20s and mid-30s, how likely is this to be a mark against her in the dating arena?
ReplyDeleteAre sagging, "imperfect" breasts a deal-breaker?
Also, what about fake breasts/implants?
In most cases, large implants look absolutely horrible. I rarely see them look great, because the patient chooses to go way to large for their frame and body type, among other things. Their breasts come out looking very unnatural-looking, the nipple and areola placement is often way too high, and the shape and spacing of the breasts turn out as botched jobs, looking nothing like naturally large breasts.
I am surprised that any surgeon can proudly sign off on any of this "work" once the patience is off the table, has completely healed, and can begin walking around "donning" the failed work. It's like walking around showing off your friend's failed science experiment.
I think most surgeons, in that case, are far too concerned about making money, than doing honorable, quality, and natural-looking work -- work they can and should be proud of, given that a patient choose to go the cosmetic route for beauty enhancement.
Also with breast lifts, women can lose a lot of sensation in their nipples, which is a wonderful erogenous zone to have, and one that a naturally sensitive-nippled woman would hate to lose. Scarring often occurs underneath and around the woman's breasts after these surgeries, which is usually semi to fully permanent, and of course, the woman puts herself at risk by simply going under the knife.
What are your thoughts on this aspect of feminine aesthetics?
Of course 'imperfect' breasts are not a dealbreaker.. That's like asking if your legs/butt/stomach has to be "perfect" for you to get a boyfriend. Nobody has a perfect everything.
DeleteSurgery is a personal choice. Nobody "needs" it to find a partner, but then again, I think very few think that way (majority of women who get them done are already above average in terms of attractiveness). It's just a matter of improving oneself.
Sounds like you want to justify that boob jobs are horrible and unnecessary. It might not be something you want for yourself, but each to their own. If your surgeon is excellent, they look pretty great. I had mine done by a no 1 surgeon. There is no visible scarring, they feel and look natural and I have the same nipple sensitivity as before (they usually don't go through the nipples to place the implants). In other words, you get what you pay for.
I would never advice a girl to get surgery due to lack of attention from men though. If you're lacking in that department, you probably need to improve your overall appearance and/or personality.
Either way, your breasts shouldn't really matter. They are the way they are, and you are clearly anti surgery, so what is there to discuss?
I pretty much agree with that reply.
DeleteIf you reread my post, it is not -definitively- anti-surgery. It is specifically anti BAD surgery. I have nothing against others getting cosmetic surgery as an option, only that they understand the risks involved and make their decisions wisely, especially not under the context of social duress. Going under the knife is always a risk, of course.
DeleteBreasts are something that a lot of women complain about or are obsessed about -- whether they are big enough (in some cases, small enough), perky enough, the right color, the right symmetry, the right look, and so forth. And although not all men are breast men, some men have quite an interest in the appearance and subject of breasts, too.
I have a friend who had a partial mastectomy, and has received several rounds of reconstructive surgery from a reputable cosmetic surgeon on the Westside. She is in remission, but dating can be quite difficult for her, now. She must mention her cancer history to weed out men who are not suitable, and eventually tell them about scarring and the like. If I'm to be completely objective, she's rather attractive, otherwise, and has a great figure she keeps up with. But breasts are a big deal in the dating arena. That's what I tell her and this is what she also realizes, whether she likes it or not.
Since this blog entry is about the subject of appearance, I was curious as to how the blogger would address this subset of the appearance issue.
One of my statements was about how unnatural most -larger- breast implants look, which is a valid perspective. If larger implants are to be done well, they need to take on some naturalized elements, so that it suits the woman and looks plausible, especially for her build. I always support cosmetic surgeons doing quality work to keep the standards and integrity high over making quick money, especially as someone working in the medical field, as well. We need more doctors who stand by quality and integrity in their careers.
There is nothing in my post that literally indicates this absolute statement: "Sounds like you want to justify that boob jobs are horrible and unnecessary." Especially the "horrible" part.
I can only gather that you took offense to my post personally, because you've chosen to get implants and feel you've been lumped in with my descriptions of bad surgeries and therefore must defend, which is unnecessary. If your implants look great, then that's certainly a good thing. Nothing more to be said on that end.
As for the possible loss of nipple sensitivity, you'll notice that is in reference to breast lifts, not breast implants. Some women might be concerned about those trade-offs, should they decide to go for this particular type of surgery, and thus should be aware of them.
There are 4 popular procedures used for breast lift surgeries, and scarring often occurs in and around the nipple/areola areas, since incisions are made, and transferring is done to adjust the nipples and areolae to the new location of the breast tissue. Nerves can be severed and/or reconnected, so that can lead to varying degrees of loss of nipple sensitivity.
I am not offended by the fact that there are done many bad surgeries. Women's opinions on implants are not important to me either.
DeleteWhat struck me was that you asked of his (aesthetic) opinion on implants and then went on about the risk and how many bad surgeries are done. Everybody knows the risk, and it does not change men's opinion on a (good) result. There is no need to mention how many bad boob jobs are being done, it won't influence a man's opinion on the ones he's actually seen. It's only a important as to whether you should actually go through with it - a decision a man cannot be part of. If you are seriously considering it, you should visit forums like sofeminine.co.uk, where women exchange experiences and give advice.
What breasts look like after surgery depends entirely on what they looked like before surgery. Men's opinions on how "vain" or "unnecessary" it is, vary so much that one man's opinion won't matter. And - like I said - the risk is for you to deal with only, so there is no point trying to influence his advice with examples of bad results.
What would you say is the correct BMI for a woman..for instance..I am 5ft 4..but if I am a BMI say 24 (which is still within the healthy range) I'd be definitely looking like I'm beginning to gain serious weight. So even though it is a healthy BMI, it looks shit.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I'd imagine the ideal BMI for a woman over 30-35 to be slightly higher than the BMI she held in her thirties because the face suffers with a low BMI..the face loses weight with age so you have to manage a slightly higher weight in order to maintain a level of "freshness".
"Also, I'd imagine the ideal BMI for a woman over 30-35 to be slightly higher than the BMI she held in her thirties because the face suffers with a low BMI"..
Deletetwenties, I meant.
I honestly have no idea. I have no gauge of BMI.
DeleteIdeal is obviously somewhere in the ballpark of actresses and supermodels, but it varied from guy to guy. You shouldn't need to split hairs over numbers like this: work out regularly and diet well until you are PROUD of the way you look, not just "OK with it."
Not necessarily true. I have a BMI of 18 and in my late 50's look much younger because I have worn sunscreen everyday since 29; that's the difference.
DeleteI think Christina Hendricks from Mad Men and Nigglla Lawson are great examples of shapley women with sex appeal. If you Have ever been to a burlesque show you will see girls with a little extra really working it. Some of the girls in burlesque are overweight but they have an attitude and allure that make them attractive. One mans five is a another muse i guess.
ReplyDeleteChristina Hendricks is attractive because she has a cute face, feminine and gentle body language, great posture and sweet voice. In Mad Men she is always dressed in heels and dresses that suck in her waist and works well on her curves. If you see pictures of her in a bathing suit or just regular jeans and a top (or anything other than a dress, tbh), she looks a lot less appealing. In pictures without makeup and flat shoes, I'd say she is a 2-3. So there is no doubt she is attractive in spite of her weight. Some women can make it work with a lot of effort, but IMO, CH should definitely lose weight (and I am sure she will if she's going to keep getting work after Mad Men).
DeleteHendricks is a 2-3 IRL situations? Wow, internet anonymity really does give people a warped sense of reality. If CH was in front of the average man I'm sure 9.9 out of 10 he would take her...
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This may be the norm in the US, but to the rest of the world it is fat.
Of course her breasts are big, but fancying this size is a fetish.
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woah in what country are you talking about? In most countries outside the us a little weight is considered normal, while super skinny is out of the norm. In the US everybody is about extremes it seems. It seems a women can not be a normal size and feel okay. And I mean normal, i mean normal, no belly, bit of ass and thighs, without feeling bad about it.
DeleteCH does not look "fat" in that picture. Most women put in a lot of effort in making themselves attractive to men. You can take the hottest women in the world, but she will look different dressed down and without makeup. I am sorry I love being girl but I am not going to be on call 24-7.
is true that shape matters more than size, I always catch guys looking at me, even when I'm with friends that are skinny and some heavy but they don't really have that hour glass shape..sometimes they do get attention but often I find after me the one that more attention is the heavier friend and I think is because of her personality plus she has a pretty face and one of the other ones is all skinny no boobs no butt and can only get guys to approach her when shes wearing super slutty clothes..the other one we go out with is tall,long legs,big boobs,no butt,and not pretty but guys seem to like her although I think is because she goes flirting w them and guys just prefer something that is ready for them..
ReplyDeleteIt is important to remember that the use of prescription drugs and some herbal drugs cause weight gain. (I had it happen when I used herbal St. John's Wort, an antidepressant.) Huge numbers of people are using antidepressants nowadays, and other drugs such as blood pressure medications, almost all of which frequently cause severe and extreme weight gain. However, if you are using any antidepressants, do not quit them suddenly or go 'cold turkey,' because antidepressant withdrawal is extremely dangerous and causes people to do terrible things like committing suicide. People who are using drugs should not blame themselves for their weight gain.
ReplyDeleteSomeone said about russian cows, er, girls attractiveness? Calm down - there are VERY FEW beautiful girls in russia. They are stinking, lots are fat, others are skinny without breasts, waist and butts. Bad hair quality, bad skin quality. Many are bow-legged. Stop telling lies and stop overrate them.
ReplyDeleteMoreover: Scandinavian men don`t consider them as beautiful.
So, brush up your brain if you have it.
guys are all the same....
ReplyDeleteif you truly want to have the most sexiest body ever ladies there are a few things that are essential....
first ladies we all are various shapes...
we can't change this... it's just how we are... simple.....
I am an hourglass and have friends that are pears and apple shapes....
it's all about proportions....
1- the main main main rule is to stay in shape! whatever size or shape stay healthy and in shape. look at how much u should weigh for ur height and weight and stay within that limit....
2- if u r in shape women work on ur skin and beauty.... the more u look after yourself the more beautiful u will be!
3- so u have the body, skin, style and make Up....
u always look good so now it's all confidence...
confidence is the key to success....
4... I am an hourglass shape.... in my experience when am healthy and in shape guys drool over me... I have a slim tiny waist... a peachy bum and big breasts and curvy thighs....
this shape men love!
with this I no when I look after my body, skin, hair and style... u simply can't go wrong!
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"trust me women u could have anyone... x"
DeleteNo, you can't have "anyone".
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I'm so glad I read all these posts...at last I have the secret to finding a man. I don't need to waste anymore time improving my mind or spend any money on my education. Finally I can stop being so warm, loving, accepting, accommodating and supportive and kind. I've been so misguided spending all these years developing myself as a good human being when all I had to do was just go to the gym instead. W
ReplyDeleteI am a good person and it has not helped me attract a man. In fact, I have CONSISTENTLY skipped over for girls/women who are vain, self centered, inconsiderate, uneducated, slutty, but they, they work out, or do drugs which helps them stay a size 0 - 4.
DeleteEverything you just mentioned means nothing to attracting a man initially.
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I'd rather love myself than try and be loved by someone who do doesn't want what I am though.
DeleteThis mentally (i.e., I am a good person and that's all I need) is a total turn-off. It is just as vain as someone who thinks that he/she does not have to be nice or improve him/herself due to good looks. We are supposed to take good care of ourselves, both inside and out. The reluctance to make any effort to improve oneself is a red flag in my opinion. Most importantly, the post did not encourage readers to stop being good human beings. Sorry that some of you sound so jaded. As a girl, I wouldn't want to hang out with you because of your negative attitude.
Delete"This mentally (i.e., I am a good person and that's all I need) is a total turn-off. It is just as vain as someone who thinks that he/she does not have to be nice or improve him/herself due to good looks."
DeleteI agree with you. It is actually a bit entitled...and guess what? There are people who take care of themselves who are also good people and intelligent.
Re no 4 - although complaining is unattractive, would it be smart for a woman to at least recognize that she is aware if she has gained weight?
ReplyDeleteI gained 3 or 4 lbs over the holidays. I am still a US size 4, so I am by no means fat, but a little curvier. I thought about it last time I had sex with my boyfriend - I hadn't seen him for a while so I was hoping he wouldn't think about it.
I am most comfortable being thin. I want to lose it again, but do you think it is smart to signalize it, so in case he cares, he knows I will?
Recognize it to yourself, yes. The point was that it could be harmful to become overly focused on your weight such that you care about nothing else (though if you are doing this and aren't thin enough, you are probably doing something wrong, rather than too little).
DeleteDo you think women often aim to be a bit skinnier than what men like?
DeleteI feel like I get the most attention from men when I am slightly curvier, but I always aim a bit below that to look good in skinny pants etc.
Andrew, I have been losing weight over the past 2 years with diet and exercise, but I am still far away from being a socially attractive goal, should I continue to try dating now (limited success, decent amount of e-mails but not much follow through or no second dates) or wait until I am a passable size? (Was 290, 180 now, of average height)
ReplyDeleteI am in late twenties and it will take about another 1 half to 2 years to get to my goal.
ANDREW, PLEaSE READ PREVIOUS COMMENT, should i just have kids with anyone by now or should i hold off until i fell iike i am with mr right?
DeleteWait 1-2 more years, get fit, get hot, and then aim for a beta provider who is on his way to become wealthy and successful, and whom you can easily make fall in love with you. Stay clear of alpha males; the most valuable of them for for girls aged 25 or so.
DeleteSo aim for people who have a lot of intelligence and potential, and are about to get results withing 5-10 years.
If you have been fat and undatable for most of your life, then you can use it to your advantage now. The positive side is that you haven't been jaded and become cold hearted and cynical. So you will be a fit and beautifully women who haven't developed a bitchy attitude. Use that. Get "how-to-become-feminine" books.
If you aim for a beta provider, chances are very good that you will be able to win his heart, since he has not received a lot of female attention. And since you haven't been dating around with a lot of alphas, and haven't been pumped and dumped, your haven't been desensitized to male attention, and a beta provider who is less than maximally attractive could still work for you.
So get hot, aim for somebody how has not dated around too much, but will be a great father, wealthy and happy have you.
And a warning: do not let your newfound beauty get to your head. Stay with the plan, aim for something realistically and long term. And work hard, read hard on how to become hot and feminine. Learn how to help a man to lead, while feeling powerful leading you and the family.
What about pretty face vs. hot body? Especially if the girl is conservative and does not wear tight clothes & seeking like minded guy. I have small face so when I am over weight, my face looks normal size & looks pretty. But when i workout hard and lose weight & get good body, my face shrinks too much & ages me.
ReplyDeleteHi Im underweight, I weigh 97lbs and Im 5'4" tall.My proportions are 31-23-34.My last bf had no complaints about my weight, he liked to lift me around sometimes :-) but a lot of girls are always commenting on my weight,its along the lines of wow you're so skinny, whats your secret?
ReplyDeleteI recently met a female friend's friend who immediately starting talking this way to me.It actually makes me very uncomfortable and I am starting to wonder whether men look at me only because I am skinny.
Ive tried to gain weight but it ends up mainly on my lower stomach,if anyone has any suggestions please could they reply.I realise I probably sound ungrateful for my size but its wearing me down,thank you
Don't let women wear you down. Think of desirable women like Adriana Lima, who certainly have a similar bmi to you. 23-34 is a sexy figure. Meghan fox said in an interview that she has a 22 inch waist and she is your height. I would love such a figure. Get supportive friends or move to Europe or somewhere where fatness isn't taken for granted, if it is an option.
DeleteEducated! That is what just happened here. Questions that I have tried, tried and TRIED to get answers to was satisfied here tonight. I wish every woman could absorb the understanding that was giving in this blogg. Thank you Andrew!
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ReplyDeleteLong is what gives the hourglass shape.
Short is just short and no matter how thin women become the waist is not as defined. Short waist women tend to have their height be in their legs not the torso and these women tend to be better at sports
A SMALL waist is what gives an hourglass shape. Plenty of women have long waists/torsos and have athletic/straight bodies with small hips.
DeleteLength of the waist doesn't matter.
It's not difficult to cheat an hourglass. I'm a pear shape with a bigger bum than chest and with a small waist in comparison to my hips - measurements: 36, 27, 41. I wear the right outfit, and I can pull it off, especially wearing a wonderbra.
DeleteHi.. I just found your blog today and will be exploring it more. I'm what could be considered a large woman but I've taken back my life. With the help of my doctor I've started losing weight and feel great. For the first time in my life I feel sexy and I have to say even though I'm still large I'm catching attention because of my confidence level. I have to agree about the gym. I highly recommend working with a personal trainer to get an all body experience. Cardio only goes so far and really it is just for weight loss but you won't lose the arms, stomach, thighs, etc simply by doing cardio. Traditional exercises as well as weight training are really important not only for weightloss but also for overall well being. Also helps to eat right and eat often. Too many woman cut back on meals thinking they are doing themselves a favor but in actuality they are sabotaging their diets. Diets shouldn't be a chore it should be a way of life that is easily maintained. I used to count calories but I know what I can eat now without effort because my body no longer craves the junk. So between September 2012 and now (March 2013) I've lost 50 lbs simply by eating right and exercise. I'm happy and healthy. I feel more confident in myself in years. I feel sexy for the first time in 15 years and starting to date (which is what brought me here cause men are confusing me).
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